Posts by Island Man

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Does Jesus refute the Watchtower Blood prohibition?

by Terry in

this is the jerusalem council of faithful jewish christians addressing what obstacles gentile converts must hurdle to be accepted by them.

(note: this statement is a paraphrase of a much earlier law of the sons of noah.).

acts 15: "it is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the gentiles who are turning to god" (v. 19).

Island Man

I think that the easiest most logical rebuttal to the blood issue is to simply point to the fact that Jehovah made blood to flow in the veins so it is not a violation of the blood law for us to use our own native blood flowing in our veins. Therefore it should also not be a violation to accept a transfusion because transfused blood is being used in the veins just as our own native blood would be used. The prohibition on blood has nothing to do with the source of the blood and everything to do with the use to which the blood is being put. Using it as food is wrong, but using it in the veins as God created it to be used, cannot be wrong. Common sense 101.

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Just because the JW'S are wrong doesnt mean theres no god.

by atomant in

l;ve been giving this some serious consideration lately.l dont have all the answers no one does.we are all entitled to our opinions.l certainly dont believe in evolution as lve researched that subject extensively.lt's important to believe in something even if its for mental health.l believe everything happens for a reason.l also believe if we all live as close to the 10 commandments as possible this world would be a far better place to live and no one can argue with that.

Island Man

Just because the JW's being wrong does not negate the possible existence of a god, does not mean there is a god.

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True or False .... The JW Religion was Started by Amateur Self Avowed Bible Theologians ?

by Finkelstein in

.....who were able to propagate their self devised bible theology by utilizing a printing plant which they themselves were the head editorial writers .

c t russell and the man to follow him j rutherford, were both not academically trained bible theologians but they certainly were inspired businessmen to the fact, charlatans of their own era and time.. the return of jesus christ and a new world order to replace an old wicked world order, was just too much of a marketable and tangible concept for those men to just leave alone.

they exploited the already existing belief in the bible already structured within the population to where they preached their created version of the gospel, the rest is now history as well their many self devised albeit commercially appealing failed doctrines .

Island Man

True

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The Christian GOD / Old Testament GOD , one and the same right? A GOD of Love ?

by smiddy in

and god is the same today as he was yesterday and will be the same tomorrow.. in other words he is unchangeable.. what a bloodthirsty god he was in the old testament., at his command killing old men young men women and children by the sword , a two edged sword i might add in some cases.cutting both ways.. put yourself in that situation for a minute , either as a victim or the executioner.

can you imagine piercing some other human with a two edged sword ?

especially if they were a child ?

Island Man

Do not eat poisonous plants

And how exactly did the first humans centuries ago, happening upon a plant producing delicious-looking berries determine that it was poisonous? How do they make that determination without a life being lost?

What kind of sadistic God would make plants for food and invite man to eat of them all, then make some of them poisonous? Answer that.

Theists love to point to the beautiful things in the natural world as evidence of a loving creator. But there's also lots of ugly sadisitic things in the natural world too. Theists conveniently turn a blind eye to these.

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Real Prophecy vs. Watchtower Prophecies

by Perry in

while we had our eyes fixated on our "one-time" idol the watchtower and their false prophecies like the generation of 1914 that wouldn't pass away, 1975 etc.

; a number of real prophecies were unfolding.

we just weren't taught to look for them.

Island Man

A true, verifiable prophecy should be:

Specific - applicable to one and only one unambiguous fulfillment. The moment a prophecy is vague enough to be applicable to any one of a number of events then it suspiciously reeks of the "cold reading" tactic used by psychics.
Not a likely event that one can reasonably guess would happen. For example, if you throw a ball in the air then you can't claim as a prophecy, your prediction that it will fall to the ground. Likewise predicting there would be wars in the future is not a prophecy - it's common sense.
Must be proven to have been written before the predicted event rather than being a historical report dishonestly written as if its a prophecy.

It also bears noting that the NT's claims of prophecies fulfilled by Jesus carry no weight as there's no way to actually verify that the things written in the NT actually occurred. The NT gospel accounts could be fictional or highly embellished with the writers falsely claiming that Jesus did x in fulfillment of such and such scripture in the OT. Without proof that the claims of the NT are true, none of the supposed OT prophecies claimed to have been fulfilled by Jesus have any weight.

Also when one objectively reads some of the supposed OT prophecies claimed to have been fulfilled by Jesus, it becomes apparent they weren't actually prophecies at all. NT writers twisted obscure OT passages that had absolutely no prophetic significance whatsoever and made them out to be prophecies fulfilled by Jesus.

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Real Prophecy vs. Watchtower Prophecies

by Perry in

while we had our eyes fixated on our "one-time" idol the watchtower and their false prophecies like the generation of 1914 that wouldn't pass away, 1975 etc.

; a number of real prophecies were unfolding.

we just weren't taught to look for them.

Island Man

I can't imagine how the prophecies regarding the restoration of the nation of Israel could be more specific.

It was a self-fulfilling prophecy. What was written in the OT was widely known by Jews and they actively worked toward its fulfillment. The "prophecy" encouraged the Jews to fulfill it. There's nothing miraculous in that.

It would be like a child being told from young by his parents whom he loves and respects dearly, that he will become a doctor when he grows up. The child internalizes that message, causing it to shape his goals and achievements and he works towards it and it becomes a reality. His parents weren't inspired prophets. Their "prediction" served to encourage him to work toward it becoming a reality and it does.

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There seems to be many jw's marrying outside of org recently.

by atomant in

l was wondering if others have noticed this or is just my imagination?my sister whom has always been a fine example of a dub just got married to an outsider was a shock to everyone as no one knew she was dating an outsider.she seems happy.the elders are to shit scared of her to approach her about the matter.

Island Man

This is unavoidable given that the JW women outnumber the JW men by far. The disparity in the sexes among JWs is strong proof that it can't be the true religion. The true religion directed by God's spirit would appeal to both sexes roughly equally.

It is noteworthy too that the bible considers women to be more prone to sinful behavior than men. So if the JW religion was really all that its chocked up to be, it should be attracting more men than women.

But the truth is that men tend to be more logical and women tend to be more social and nurturing.Thus the JW religion, being illogical, is less appealing to men, but it provides a social atmosphere for women to socialize with each other. I think this is true of many other churches and religions. The JWs are just like the rest of christendom in this respect.

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Real Prophecy vs. Watchtower Prophecies

by Perry in

while we had our eyes fixated on our "one-time" idol the watchtower and their false prophecies like the generation of 1914 that wouldn't pass away, 1975 etc.

; a number of real prophecies were unfolding.

we just weren't taught to look for them.

Island Man

The only real prophecies that have ever been fulfilled have been those made by scientists.

Notably, Einstein keeps being proven right again and again. His predictions/theories developed decades ago keep being fulfilled (proven right) with modern experiments. The latest fulfillment has been the discovery of gravitational waves.

Darwin also made predictions that have been fulfilled in more modern times. The discovery of Tiktalik is a notable example of how science makes true, specific predictions. It was predicted in advance, based on evolutionary theory, that an aquatic creature matching its description would be found in the particular strata of the geologic column that it was found in!

But religion is a failure. It's predictions are always very vague, clouded in ambiguous language thus enabling the faithful to read into them the fulfillment of their choice. There are predictions in the bible that never came true, like the one about Egypt being desolated for 40(?) years. This never happened!

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Who can come up with the punch line why JW's are not delusional.

by James Mixon in

jw seek treatment for mental breakdown.. he tells the physician, my non-jw family tell me i'm nuts because i preach we are the only true religion (jws).. the doctor said that is strange because i have two patients that checked in yesterday and they .

each said they belong to the only true religions.

one is a mormon and the other a muslim.. so the doctor thought i will lock all three up in the same room for the night and see what.

Island Man

The doctor asked: "how did you come to that conclusion?"

The JW responded: "Well after spending 6 hours preaching to the Muslim and the Mormon they both were united in their hatred of me and were on the verge of cooperating together to put me to death by forcing a stool down my mouth, because they could no longer bare to hear the powerful words of truth I was sharing with them. Then I recalled Jesus' words that his true followers would be hated; and I also recalled how Jesus' sworn enemies also came together and cooperated to have Jesus put to death. All of that proved to me that I must have the true religion, because just like Jesus said, I was hated, and just like with Jesus, these two opposing false religious believers were willing to unite to kill me."

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2016--Medical Documents & BOE!

by Atlantis in

2016 medical documents!..

re: simplified advance decision document.

.. https://we.tl/sj94l0wsir.

Island Man

I think that an awake JW might be able to raise a legal ruckus over point 8. of the Advance Decision to Refuse Specified Medical Treatment which states:

STATEMENT OF WITNESSES: The person who signed this document did so in my
presence. He or she appears to be of sound mind and free from duress, fraud, or undue influence. I am 18 years of age or older.

Wouldn't the threat of being disassociated and shunned by family constitute a form of duress or undue influence?